WHICH IS MORE VIOLENT? Islam or Christianity by Damon Whitsell
FROM MY WEBSITE RELIGIONOFCONQUEST: We should only have to look at how the two religions came to prominence to answer this question. But this article will go further than that. We will look at how the two religions rose to power and then we will look at the Bible and the Koran.
There are 50 Muslim majority countries in the world today and almost all of them used to be Christian before being invaded and conquered by Islam. Those Christian lands became Christian because after 300 years of brutal persecution of Christians by Rome, Constantine made Christian persecution illegal in the Edict of Malan and later made Christianity the official religion of Rome in the Edict of Thessalonica on February 27th 380AD. These are two historical markers and documents that show Christianity rose to ascendancy without lifting a sword. But the opposite is true of Islam. Islam became what it is by The Sword of Allah.
The Sword of Allah is another name for Khalid ibn al-Walid who was a companion of Muhammad’s that led his armies. Khalid was victorious in over a hundred battles against the forces of the Byzantine-Roman Empire, Sassanid-Persian Empire, and their allies. Khalid invaded the Middle East, Asia Minor, into Eastern Europe and across Northern Africa. The Islamic armies then crossed the Mediterranean Sea and invaded into Italy, Spain, France and completely over-run the Mediterranean Islands, thus conquering two thirds of the Christian world well before the Crusades started. The video below will give you a visualization of these invasions. The video by Dr. Bill Warner of PoliticalIslam.com visualizes 548 Islamic Invasion Battles from 620AD to 1820AD, and it also shows the scope of the purely defensive Christian Crusades in comparison. The most important thing to notice about the video is that despite the fact that Muslim apologist and Liberals will try to say all the Islamic battles where defensive, not one single time did a foreign army invade the Islamic Arabian Peninsula, not even during the Crusades. These expansive Islamic battles led to the total conquest of the Persian Empire. And almost eliminated the religion of Zoroastrianism.
You can see a list of those battles here. Many of the earlier battles listed in the document and visualized in the video were not merely chronicled by Western Historians. All the battles that happened during Muhammads life are chronicled by Islamic sources.
The following is a link to the earliest Islamic biography of Muhammad (Sira): Sirat Rasul Allah written by Ibn Ishaq . It was written by a Muslim contemporary of Muhammad, not by Christians. And most of the Sira is political and has to do with what Muhammad and Islam did, and are to do today, to Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, the Arab polytheist pagans and others – rather than what Muslims are to do to get to heaven. If you read the Sira of Muhammad it is likely to change your life. It will for sure give you a new perspective of Islam. And a bloody one at that.
The conquest of Europe by invading Islamic Armies was only stopped by Charles The Hammer Martel and The Franks at the Battle of Tours in France on October 10th, 732. After the first Jihads advance was stopped in Tours, Islam launched another Jihad that came close to conquering the whole world again, only to be stopped two times at the Gates of Vienna in 1529ad and 1683ad. And America fought it’s first two wars against the Islamic Barbary States during the Barbary Wars in 1801 – 1805 and 1815, right after gaining independence from Britain. The United States and it’s allies also fought against Islam and their allies in WW1, thus ending the reign of the Ottoman Empire. Had the Ottoman Empire had an Industrial Revolution like the west WW1 would have likely turned out much differently, the Ottoman empire and the Islamic Caliphate would probably not have been dissolved and Islamic Jihad would have never been lulled if not for the military and economic advance of the west that was caused by an explosion of technology. Historians estimate that 270,000,000 have been killed in 1400 years of Islamic Jihad. And now Islam has started it’s third Jihad. But yet when an Islamic terrorist attack occurs in the west people want to talk about Christianity.
The 4 most often brought up charges as being the greatest evils of Christianity in history are The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials and more recently Abortion Clinic Bombings. But as the video and battle list above show the Crusades were purely defensive in response to 400+ years of Islamic Invasion into the Christian world, including the Holy Land. As Bernard Lewis a historian specializing in Islam says “The Crusade was a delayed response to the jihad, the holy war for Islam, and its purpose was to recover by war what had been lost by war—to free the holy places of Christendom and open them once again, without impediment, to Christian pilgrimage’. And one of the leading authorities on the Spanish Inquisition, Henry Kamen, states that a total of 1,394 people were killed during the Inquisition. That’s less than half the number killed on 9/11 alone. Concerning the Salem Witch Trials the Smithsonian says “more than 200 people were accused of practicing witchcraft—the Devil’s magic—and 20 were executed”. And you hardly ever hear anyone say that it was other Christians that put and end to the Witch Trials because they were not biblical. The names of those wrongfully killed can be read here at Wikipedia. Abortion bombings are similarly not as high as you would think. This 2015 New York Times article says “At least 11 people have been killed in attacks on abortion clinics in the United States since 1993”, and that includes all forms of violent attacks at abortion clinics, not just bombings. So now let’s look at the Bible and the Koran to see if they both give commands to do violence against unbelievers and wage conquest to rule the world.
THE BIBLE VERSUS THE KORAN
Here is a discussion I had with a Liberal at MediaMatters. I think it adequately shows the Koran commands violence and conquest while the Bible does not. I started with this comment.
ISLAM IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE,,, DUMMY!!!
Qur’an:9:29 – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Qur’an:8:39 – “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Bukhari:8:387 – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’
… Then the following exchange happened. The Liberals first response was.
Two people can play this pointlessly petty game:
Ezekiel 9:6 “Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women . . . “Isaiah 13:16 “Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”Deuteronomy 13:15 “Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly . . . “Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . “Exodus 32:27 “. . . Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.”Deut 21:10-12 “When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; “Exodus 31:15 ” . . . whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”Deut 21:21 “And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die . . . ”
Seriously and that is just the first five books.
The remaining responses are as follows. My first…
One thing you don’t have in your “game”,,, is open ended commands in the OT to fight unbelievers, because they are unbelievers, until they believe or accept institutionalized subjugation.
Conversely there are 527 verses of intolerance toward non-Muslims, and 109 verses specifically advocating violence towards non-Muslims in the Koran. Many of them (as the ones above) calling for total dominance of Islam. The Koran even tells us the purpose of Islam…
Qur’an 48:28 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion. And Allah sufficeth as a Witness.
The bible verses you quote are descriptive historical accounts, not imperatives to violence with totalitarian ends. But the Koran has no storyline or narrative and is mostly commands. Of which only 39% are spiritual (what Muslims do to get to heaven) and 61% political (how Muslims are to treat non-Muslims).
However the only potential comparison in the bible is the alleged “genocide” verses in the narratives of the Jewish conquest of Canaan. But if your not a Canaanite they don’t apply to you and the commands where specifically to Israel for one time period and situation only. Even though these verses may appear to be commands of genocide, they are not because hyperbolic war rhetoric was the norm of the day and the over-riding command was to drive out the Canaanites, and the Jews did not even do that.
On the flip side, Muhammad carried out the commands in the Koran and Muslims have been doing so until this day, since before MO died. You don’t think Islam invaded and conquered most of the known world (at one time) for defensive purposes, do ya?
“One thing you don’t have in your “game”,,, is open ended commands in the OT to fight unbelievers, because they are unbelievers, until they believe or accept institutionalized subjugation. ”
Nah, because the OT didn’t practice subtlety. From Deuteronomy
12 “If you hear in one of your cities, which the Lord your God is giving you to dwell there, 13 that certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, 14 then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, 15 you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction,[a] all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
2 “ If there is found in your midst, in any of your [a]towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, 4 and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to [b]death. 6 On the[c]evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the [d]evidence of one witness. 7 The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Now does this mean the Bible is an evil book that advocates the murder of infidels?
Your double standard is so obvious it sees double. How is the “hyperbolic war rhetoric” of the Jews any different than the one of the Muslims? From where did you even get that number of intolerant verses? They sound to be completely contradictory with actual Islamic law as well as the customs of the time.
“From where did you even get that number of intolerant verses?”
Sixty-one percent of the Quran is about non-Muslims
527 verses of intolerance toward non-Muslims,
109 verses specifically advocating violence towards non-Muslims.
“They sound to be completely contradictory with actual Islamic law as well as the customs of the time.”
LOL,,, Sharia institutionalizes Islamic supremacy, the subjugation of the people of the book (Jews and Christians – and later Zoroastrians),,,, and all others don’t have the third option of dhimmitude – for them it is convert or die, if you cannot flee. This was the SOP of Islam from the times of Muhammad until the dissolving of the ottoman empire caliphate in the early 1900’s and is still the SOP in some Muslim controlled countries today. As far as customs of the time are concerned, you have to read the Sunna of Muhammad (Hadiths – sayings and traditions of MO, and the Sira – the early Islamic biographies of MO),, to understand them,,,, have you read any of them?
“Your double standard is so obvious it sees double. How is the “hyperbolic war rhetoric” of the Jews any different than the one of the
No double standard at all. If you read the text you just posted it says “If you hear in one of your cities” and “If there is found in your midst, in any of your [a]towns”,,, that God had ‘given” them – these commands are to Israel only and for one specific place (the land of Canaan) and one specific time. They are not at all open commands for Jews to fight or kill someone because they are not Jews. Other passages in Deuteronomy basically say to the Jews as they enter the land of Cannon to “kill them all” (my paraphrase),, such as…
Deu 20:15-17 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
…. but (as noted above) if your not one of the Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, or Jebusites (in other words – a Canaanite), at a specific time in Canaan – these verses do not apply to you. And the same “kill them all” rhetoric is applied the Jews themselves (as punishment from God), if they do not follow the commands. But when you read the historical account of the conquest of Canaan in the book of Joshua you see that there are still many Canaanites left in the land, they don’t all get killed (or even driven out) and Israel does not get utterly destroyed for not follwing the commands. WHY is this? Because the thrust of the commands are “driving out” and “thrusting out” the Canaanites (Exodus 23:28; Leviticus 18:24; Numbers 33:52: Deuteronomy 6:19; 7:1; 9:4; 18:12; Joshua 10:28,30,32,35,37,39; 11:11,14) and “dispossessing” the Canaanites of their land (Numbers 21:32; Deuteronomy 9:1; 11:23; 18:14; 19:1; etc.). “Driving out” or “dispossessing” is different from “wiping out” or “destroying.” This shows that utter annihilation was not intended and the “kill them all” passages are the type of war rhetoric that was commonly used in the ancient near east.
But with Islam, there is very little chronological, storyline or narrative context in the Koran as it is not a book of history like the Bible. To put the Koran in context you have to read the Sunna of Muhammad (Hadiths – sayings and traditions of MO, and the Sira – the early Islamic biographies of MO). And they show that MO and Islam was not just using war rhetoric.
Again, You don’t think Islam invaded and conquered most of the known world (at one time) for defensive purposes, do ya? For your enlightenment….
Blaise Pascal said,,,, “Mahomet established a religion by putting his enemies to death; Jesus Christ by commanding his followers to lay down their lives.”
…. and if you know anything about history – you’ll know it’s true. Christianity conquered the Roman Empire (without lifting a sword) when Constantine became Christian through the preaching of the good news of Jesus Christ. But Islam conquered all of it’s territories (except for Pakistan) with the sword. And if it had not been for Charles the Hammer Martel at the battle of Tours and two successful defenses at the gates of Vienna – all of Europe (and probably the whole world) would be Islamic today.
LEARN MORE HERE
Four non-Christian works
Does the Bible really inspire violence like the Koran?
Comparing Jesus and Muhammad side by side
Why I’m Worried About Islam But Not Christianity
What About The Violent Passages In The Bible?
His third response…
No thanks. I don’t need to learn how to be a bigot. I’m pretty happy how i am.
And my final response to his…
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. http://www.merriam-webster.com…
Your the one, because of your ignorance and prejudices, that is falsely trying to say the Bible is equally violent to the Koran,,, when it is not – and the Bible has open ended commands to kill non-believers as the Koran does,,when it don’t.
About 2 years ago I heard Pastor Terry Jones say,, “Islam is of the Devil”. I was repulsed and sent him a nasty little letter calling him a bigot, Islamophobe and non-Christian, among other things. But then I went to his facebook page for his burn a koran day, and two FB pages against it,, and what I seen shocked me.
It went like this,,,”we will kill you all if you burn our Koran”,, and non Muslims responded by saying,,, “not if we kill you all first”. The non-muslims where posting videos of Muslims burning people alive, beheading people, stoning people, hanging people, beating women,,etc. I had seen a couple of these videos but had no idea there where so many. And of course on 9/11 they was showing all the tributes on TV which included the jumpers from the towers, I was really overwhelmed but still spent a total of five days on those facebook pages. One day as soon as I awoke, it dawned on me that I never seen a single Muslim denounce those atrocious videos without also half heartedly justifying them. And many Muslims outright condoned the terrible acts. That day I noticed that far to many of the ones who condoned such acts where living in the west. I knew right then that there are not as many “moderate Muslims” as myself and most people thought.
So I read the Koran for the third time, this time referring to the Sunna to properly interpret it’s jumbled mess. And now I totally agree with Jones that Islam is of the Devil. And I know that if anyone does not also think so,,, they are simply blindly biased and/or ignorant and have not read the Islamic holy trilogy.
“Over a billion people believe in Allah without truly knowing what Allah supposedly stands for or what he really demands of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be Moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of Islam, which are floridly lacking in morality. They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by Islam, instead of examining Islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion”. — Professor Bertrand Russell
“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” — Albert Einstein
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